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		<title>Pork 2.0: Meat blob grown in a lab</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meat grown in a lab: the ethics of vat grown vs slaughtered meat (a future discussion as it isn't quite there yet).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy did &#8220;Better off Ted&#8221; pick this one: meat grown in the lab (but needs a bit of muscle tone to compete with &#8220;real&#8221; meat).</p>
<div id="attachment_990" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/ted-offers-some-meat1.jpg" rel="lightbox[930]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-990 " title="ted-offers-some-meat" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/ted-offers-some-meat1-400x225.jpg" alt="Better off Ted: a step closer to &quot;blobby&quot; the meat blob." width="400" height="225" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Better off Ted: a step closer to &quot;blobby&quot; the meat blob.</p></div>
<p>In the article &#8220;<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/world/science/tuck-into-some-soggy-pork-straight-out-of-the-test-tube-20091130-k177.html">Tuck into some soggy pork, straight from the lab</a>&#8221; scientists have made the first draft of meat in a vat. We&#8217;ll take a leaf from Better off ted and nickname the lab grown meat &#8220;Blobby&#8221;. Blobby is a step closer to reality:</p>
<blockquote><p>They have not tasted the product, but it is believed the artificial meat could be on sale within five years.</p>
<p>Mark Post, a professor of physiology at Eindhoven University, said: &#8221;What we have at the moment is rather like wasted muscle tissue. We need to find ways of improving it by training it and stretching it, but we will get there.</p>
<p>&#8221;This product will be good for the environment and will reduce animal suffering. If it feels and tastes like meat, people will buy it.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I mean people buy (and allegedly eat) the amusing named meat substitutes like: fake bacon (&#8220;facon&#8221;?)..</p>
<div id="attachment_991" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/fakebacon5.jpg" rel="lightbox[930]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-991 " title="fakebacon5" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/fakebacon5-400x300.jpg" alt="Mmmn.. Real bacony goodness it ain't!" width="400" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Mmmn.. Real bacony goodness it ain&#39;t!</p></div>
<p>fake tuna (&#8220;tuno&#8221; I kid you not)..</p>
<div id="attachment_992" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/tuno.jpg" rel="lightbox[930]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-992 " title="tuno" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/tuno-400x300.jpg" alt="Just say no. Tuno is not tuna." width="400" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Just say no. Tuno is not tuna.</p></div>
<p>fake sausages (affectionately known as &#8220;fagsnags&#8221;?) and even tofu turkey (tofurky).</p>
<div id="attachment_993" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/tofurky.jpg" rel="lightbox[930]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-993 " title="tofurky" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/tofurky-400x300.jpg" alt="Tofu made to look like Turkey. Apparently one of the most horrible creations ever according to a vego friend." width="400" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Tofu made to look like Turkey. Apparently one of the most horrible creations ever according to a vego friend.</p></div>
<p>But some are still not satisfied:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, the Vegetarian Society said: &#8221;How could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Jesus some people are morons.</p>
<p>How do you know your organic carrot wasn&#8217;t used to stab a cute little bunny rabbit through the eye? Or your tofu used to smother kittens before it was stuck in the plastic wrapper? Or the organic tofu wasn&#8217;t created from soy beans grown on clear felled, slashed and burnt rainforest?<br />
That&#8217;s right, you don&#8217;t magically know. But perhaps it is labelled as made in a lab vs &#8220;real&#8221; so you can tell and you have to trust that the standards are in place to ensure stuff isn&#8217;t mislabelled just like everything else. Just like Halal/Kosher are marked so that we know which meat came from cruelly-slaughtered-via-slit-throat-to-appease-barbaric-religious-beliefs animals vs non halal/kosher ones put down as quickly and painlessly as possible (don&#8217;t get me started on this concept!).</p>
<p>More likely people will largely ignore the ethical qualities would want to have non-grown in the lab stuff and there&#8217;ll be a push to give consumers the information about whether it was from a cow/pig/chook or from a lab. So perhaps for a while there there&#8217;ll be people buying burgers that have lab grown stuff snuck in there (thus an &#8220;all beef patty with extra ethics&#8221;) but isn&#8217;t it better regardless that SOME of the content not be from slaughtered animals? Let&#8217;s say you could cut down the actual slaughter count for McDonalds to half current numbers? Isn&#8217;t that a good thing?</p>
<p>And that old crackpot Prince Charles:</p>
<blockquote><p>The breakthrough will concern the anti-GM lobby. Prince Charles, a fierce opponent of genetically modified food, said last week that people were creating problems by &#8221;treating food as an easy commodity rather than a precious gift from nature&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<div id="attachment_999" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 398px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/prince-charles.jpg" rel="lightbox[930]"><img class="size-full wp-image-999" title="prince-charles" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/prince-charles.jpg" alt="Believes in some good stuff, but a load of garbage (homoeopathy for instance). Take any statement with a spoonful of highly diluted tincture of crap." width="388" height="450" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Believes in some good stuff, but a load of garbage (homoeopathy for instance). Take any statement with a spoonful of highly diluted tincture of crap.</p></div>
<p>I suppose he&#8217;d know about easy commodities, being the leftover of the inbred concept of royalty who are born and instantly gifted with a taxpayer funded (previously serf served) life of.. well.. royalty.<br />
Yes, food is an easy commodity: that&#8217;s part of the way we&#8217;ve come to drag ourselves out of constantly foraging/hunting/preparing food enough to support pale, white collar professions that revolve around arranging bytes on computers into ever more complicated ways.</p>
<p>Anyhow, there are a number of advantages I think of separating out the &#8220;meat&#8221; from the rest of the cow. Parasitic infections (e.g. ticks/lice/worms), unintended contamination (e.g. cow drinks glowing green nuclear waste but doesn&#8217;t get super-cow powers or perhaps gets treated/dipped with something nasty) could be kept under control better when the stuff is just raw inputs into a big conveyor belt in a lab type set-up.</p>
<div id="attachment_1000" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 408px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Flighted-Modular-Belt.jpg" rel="lightbox[930]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1000 " title="Flighted Modular Belt" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Flighted-Modular-Belt-398x500.jpg" alt="Chemicals/nutrients in.. Meat out. Just without the having to kill something in between." width="398" height="500" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Chemicals/nutrients in.. Meat out. Just without the having to kill something in between.</p></div>
<p>Anyhow if this grown in a lab version means we can dispense with piling as many animals in stinking cages their whole, short, miserable lives: then I&#8217;m all for it.</p>
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		<title>An animal that wants to be eaten?</title>
		<link>http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2009/09/08/an-animal-that-wants-to-be-eaten/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gotta love when we take a step closer to a prediction in a science fiction book. This step is toward animals who want to be eaten (thanks Douglas Adams). Well, that&#8217;s not completely accurate, but it is roughly along the lines of &#8220;The Hitchhiker&#8217;s guide to the galaxy&#8221; in which the dilemma for vegetarians is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta love when we take a step closer to a prediction in a science fiction book. This step is toward animals who want to be eaten (thanks Douglas Adams).</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s not completely accurate, but it is roughly along the lines of &#8220;The Hitchhiker&#8217;s guide to the galaxy&#8221; in which the dilemma for vegetarians is solved by genetically engineering a creature who wants to be eaten or else feels pain.</p>
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<p>In this NewScientist article: &#8220;<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327243.400-painfree-animals-could-take-suffering-out-of-farming.html" target="_blank">Pain free animals could take suffering out of farming</a>&#8221; there&#8217;s some discussion of how various findings could be used to lessen the discomfort of farmed animals. So not quite &#8220;animals that want to be eaten&#8221;, but animals that don&#8217;t so much care about pain.</p>
<p>I think the better solution is to step back from the ultra-packed in &#8220;factory farming&#8221; that seems to be the norm in the USA and parts of Europe and let the poor animals roam around a bit. I grew up in a rural area and I&#8217;d have to say any animals I came across appeared to have a pretty good existence:</p>
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<li>nice big open paddocks for the cows or long sheds for the chickens</li>
<li>farmers keeping away predators and providing healthcare (sounds better than the deal most US citizens have currently)</li>
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<p>With modern slaughtering techniques there&#8217;s an attempt to minimise the pain/discomfort at the end of the animal&#8217;s life, well,<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/sheep-killing-branded-cruel/2007/08/02/1185648061374.html" target="_blank"> except for the barbaric Jewish and Muslim &#8220;halal&#8221; and &#8220;kosher&#8221;</a> slaughter.<br />
(Start religious rant)Those religious slaughter techniques are nearly as barbaric today as they were thousands of years back. Still not sure why animals have to continue to have their throats cut and bleed to death slowly today when they could just get the bolt gun to the head (as per the more humane &#8220;normal&#8221; slaughtering technique). All because some people think that their superstition needs extra suffering to appease some sky god.<br />
(end rant)</p>
<p>I guess the ultimate would be growing meat in a vat though. I mean if it doesn&#8217;t have a brain or nervous system then it probably can&#8217;t really be in a state of pain as per any reasonable definition. Or perhaps we could reduce the number of farm animals via some sort of human recycling a la the movie &#8220;Soylent Green&#8221;.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 250px"><img title="Soylent green.. is PEOPLE!" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/SolyentGreen28d.png" alt="Soylent green.. is PEOPLE!" width="240" height="114" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Soylent green.. is PEOPLE!</p></div>
<p>After all if we&#8217;re going to say it&#8217;s ok to eat other animals, we should at least be fair about things right? <img src='http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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