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		<title>Rapture weekend: looking on the bright side..</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So rapture is almost upon us. For my last post with religious people on earth I thought I'd reflect on the upside of doomsday.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted a long while back about people desperately <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2009/03/03/rapture-ready-oh-my-god/">hanging out for the rapture</a>. An update: If you haven&#8217;t heard yet, this might be my final blog entry. Apparently Judgement day (the religious one, not skynet.. so it isn&#8217;t as cool without robots involved) is due for May 21st according to <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/world/cult-claims-end-of-world-is-nigh--go-figure-20110519-1euzb.html">this article</a>.</p>
<div id="attachment_1959" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/judgment-day-may-21.jpg" rel="lightbox[1947]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1959" title="judgment-day-may-21" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/judgment-day-may-21-400x227.jpg" alt="Bible guarantees! Wow, it must be true then." width="400" height="227" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Bible guarantees! Wow, it must be true then.</p></div>
<p>Unclear on whether that&#8217;s Greenwich mean time or whether it&#8217;ll be a rolling event as the day tracks around the globe. So as an Australian I won&#8217;t get a chance to repent but those in later time zones will presumably get a bit of lead time, perhaps to <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/world/strangebuttrue/atheists-offer-pet-help-after-judgment-day-20110519-1eugf.html">arrange for their pets to be looked after by some left behind atheists</a>.</p>
<p><strong>So let&#8217;s look on the bright side of the rapture</strong><br />
Let&#8217;s assume that all the religious believers are taken up for processing with just the dirty non-believers left behind. Unlike each of those religions, I&#8217;ll assume they&#8217;re all going to be treated the same: you believe in god/gods then hey &#8211; you won the irrational thinking bonus of a lifetime.</p>
<p><strong>Chaplains out of schools</strong><br />
It will get <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/tag/chaplains/">NSCP Chaplains</a> out of our supposed-to-be secular public education system in Australia (so we&#8217;d save $222m from the budget recently announced) and stop me from having to <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2011/02/16/trust-me-im-the-chaplain/">complain about the dodgy NSCP mobs</a> (e.g. <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/tag/scripture-union/">Scripture Union</a>, Access Ministries) that run this tax funded religious racket.</p>
<p><strong>School time would be more ethical and less bronze age</strong><br />
The only option in SRE time in NSW would be the <a href="http://www.primaryethics.com.au/">Primary Ethics</a> course or &#8220;non scripture&#8221; (I dubbed the trial <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2010/04/22/first-useful-scripture-period-in-nsw-history/">The first useful scripture lesson in NSW history</a>). So ethics teachers still need to turn up to teach the kiddies next week as they&#8217;d be left behind having shunned the nuns. It&#8217;s possible other ethics teachers would need to be covered by the Atheists as it is a secular course after all and makes no religious claims.</p>
<p>Public education would no longer be playing second fiddle to private religious schools and would have billions of dollars to spend on much needed facilities, materials, staff and land acquisitions in cramped schools.</p>
<div id="attachment_1969" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/private-schools-accused-of-rorting-hsc/2008/12/28/1230399045680.html"><img src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/toon_privateschool_wideweb__470x4640-400x394.jpg" alt="Special treatment at all levels. (Image from SMH)" title="toon_privateschool_wideweb__470x464,0" width="400" height="394" class="size-medium wp-image-1969" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Special treatment at all levels. (Image from SMH)</p></div>
<p>The calls for creationism to be taught in science class would stop.</p>
<p><strong>No more door to door</strong><br />
There&#8217;ll be no one knocking on doors in cheap white short sleeve shirts and black ties while you&#8217;re trying to get a sleep in. The plus side is that there&#8217;ll be little piles of exactly that sort of clothing left around the streets in the post rapture world. Might want to discard their <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2010/02/mormons_and_their_magic_underw.php">magic Mormon underwear</a>.</p>
<div id="attachment_1961" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/magic-mormon-underwear-mormon-religion-underwear-atheist-demotivational-poster-1247720267.jpg" rel="lightbox[1947]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1961" title="magic-mormon-underwear-mormon-religion-underwear-atheist-demotivational-poster-1247720267" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/magic-mormon-underwear-mormon-religion-underwear-atheist-demotivational-poster-1247720267-400x345.jpg" alt="Style repellant too." width="400" height="345" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Style repellent too.</p></div>
<p><strong>Peace and quiet</strong><br />
No church bells on Sunday.<br />
No more ridiculously early morning call to prayer in Muslim countries.<br />
No more wailing at the wailing wall.<br />
No more <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/insane-amish-protest-dropped/2006/10/05/1159641433255.html">batshitcrazy types picketing funerals</a>.<br />
No more <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2010/09/16/burn-the-newspapers-for-manufacturing-blasphemy/">rioting mobs any time a holy book is destroyed</a>.</p>
<div id="attachment_1963" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/riotOverInsultingIslam.jpg" rel="lightbox[1947]"><img class="size-full wp-image-1963" title="riotOverInsultingIslam" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/riotOverInsultingIslam.jpg" alt="London's finest out in force." width="300" height="210" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">London&#39;s finest out in force.</p></div>
<p><strong>Discrimination laws will have less exemptions</strong><br />
No religious run businesses/schools left with ridiculous <a href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nt/consol_act/aa204/s30.html">exemptions from the discrimination laws</a> (e.g. <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/12/3137195.htm">allowing the expelling gays or single mothers from schools</a>).</p>
<p><strong>Less nonsense in healthcare</strong><br />
All hospitals left running would offer IVF, abortion services, post rape medical treatment, contraception advice etc. Chemists/pharmacists would all give out medication based on medical need and wouldn&#8217;t veto for their own personal reasons.</p>
<p>No nut-cases like this lady picketing female health clinics.</p>
<div id="attachment_1951" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 385px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/AbortionLady.jpg" rel="lightbox[1947]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1951" title="AbortionLady" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/AbortionLady-375x500.jpg" alt="Crazy old bat that pickets a clinic in Surry Hills" width="375" height="500" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Crazy old bat that pickets a clinic in Surry Hills</p></div>
<p>No people thinking that scraps of <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2010/01/13/published-rant-mary-mackillops-not-miracle/">Mary Mackillop miracle</a> placebo items are miraculous. HIV/AIDS treatment and vaccinations could move forward instead of having ridiculous religious leaders impeding the flow of medical aid and advice.</p>
<p><strong>Business and property</strong><br />
The tax system would have a massive amount of money to spend on things as it would stop handouts to the tune of billions to religious organisations.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youngandgrumpy.com/2009/05/tax-sanitarium-health-foods-religion.html" target="_blank">Sanitarium would have to start paying taxes</a> on its weetbix profits, meaning the tax free status it uses to compete with other cereal companies would evaporate. A slew of other for profit religious owned businesses would no longer be rorting an unfair tax advantage to put normal businesses out of the market.</p>
<p>There&#8217;d be lots of prime real estate that could be turned into useful spaces rather than just sitting empty except for an hour a week when a few people get up on a Sunday to do work. The new users of those buildings would pay council rates like everyone else.</p>
<p><strong>Politics and equality would improve a bit</strong><br />
We&#8217;d have no more Fred Nile in parliament so someone else would get a chance at the dumbest minister award (plenty of candidates, but Abbott will be gone so the position is open).</p>
<div id="attachment_1964" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/992608-fred-nile.jpg" rel="lightbox[1947]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1964" title="992608-fred-nile" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/992608-fred-nile-400x225.jpg" alt="Top priorities for Fred." width="400" height="225" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Top priorities for Fred.</p></div>
<p><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2010/11/18/opposition-to-gay-marriage-is-not-tricky-at-all/">Gays could get married and have equal rights</a>&#8230; you know, like they should have always had.</p>
<p><strong>Child safety</strong><br />
The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church">world&#8217;s largest paedophile cover-up group</a> would cease to exist meaning thousands of children would not be exposed to <a href="http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/stories/beast-file-catholic-church-sex-scandal" target="_blank">predatory Catholic priests</a> and crimes not covered up then simply shuffled on to new areas. Previous victims could be given free right to loot some of <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2009/07/10/pope-writes-to-fight-greed-signs-with-gold-pen/">the gold that the Catholic church loves</a> to hoard.</p>
<p><strong>Women&#8217;s rights</strong><br />
We&#8217;d no longer have clerichead bearded <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2009/01/22/respecting-beliefs-from-the-dark-ages-metaphorically-of-course/">Islamic morons telling us how to beat wives or rape them in a Sharia compliant way</a> and <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2011/03/27/pakistani-actress-shoots-down-hypocritical-mufti/">brave Muslim women having to stand up and tell them they&#8217;re dickheads</a>.</p>
<div id="attachment_1975" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 330px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Sharia-Law-Bad-For-Women.jpg" rel="lightbox[1947]"><img src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Sharia-Law-Bad-For-Women.jpg" alt="There&#039;s nothing real funny about this, but it makes a point." title="Sharia-Law-Bad-For-Women" width="320" height="309" class="size-full wp-image-1975" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">There&#039;s nothing real funny about this, but it makes a point.</p></div>
<p><strong>Environment and Science</strong><br />
A whole bunch of <a href="http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403752" target="_blank">trees cut down to produce uninspiring religious texts</a> would be saved or used to make more interesting or enlightened books. There&#8217;d be slightly more storage room in bedside tables in hotels without the Gideon minions doing their work.</p>
<p>We&#8217;d (sadly) lose the learned <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/pell-row-with-climate-scientist-heats-up-20110313-1bsx6.html">Cardinal Pell and his climate science denial</a> ways (because as a person who reads the bible he knows better than scientists).</p>
<p><strong>Atheists/Agnostics and secularists can get back to adult matters</strong><br />
And finally Atheists, although they&#8217;d have been wrong if the rapture happens would finally get that evidence after thousands of years of waiting.<br />
Secularists will get their separation of church and state they&#8217;ve been asking for..</p>
<p>Any others?</p>
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		<title>Trust me, I’m the chaplain.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Australian Psychological Association described chaplains in schools as "dangerous": how (unfortunately) right they were in this case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I posted a while back about <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/2010/11/15/australian-christian-lobbys-prayer-for-prejudice-in-victoria/">The Australian Christian Lobby&#8217;s prayer for prejudice in Victoria </a>and one of the things I listed was their lobbying for an increase to the funding for School Chaplains (known as &#8220;Chappies&#8221;). I quoted the Australian Psychological Society in saying this was dangerous: how right they were. In this post I&#8217;ll give you an example of the concerns I have about the organisation in charge of the majority of chaplains placed in schools: inability to safeguard children.</p>
<p>Not only are these skygod worshipping quacks completely untrained and unqualified to counsel children (which is a separate matter and not to be confused with this particular &#8220;Chappy&#8221; and SU Qld&#8217;s response to that): they are almost exclusively all employed by one organisation: Scripture Union and almost exclusively Christian (98% or so).</p>
<div id="attachment_1853" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/chaplains-GodUnhappyFlood.png" rel="lightbox[1848]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1853" title="chaplains-GodUnhappyFlood" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/chaplains-GodUnhappyFlood-400x312.png" alt="Oh yes, let this guy empart his wisdom to our children on causes of floods" width="400" height="312" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Oh yes, let this guy empart his wisdom to our children on causes of floods</p></div>
<p>This <a rel="nofollow" href="http://apply.su-chaplain.com/index.php?cmd=information#Tab-info:2">organisation has the following mission</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Aims:<br />
As a worldwide organisation working with the churches, SU aims:</p>
<p>* to make God&#8217;s Good News known to children, young people and families</p>
<p>to encourage people of all ages to meet God daily through the Bible and prayer,so that they may:</p>
<p>* come to personal faith in our Lord Jesus Christ<br />
* grow in Christian maturity, and<br />
* become both committed church members and servants of a world in need.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now what sort of organisation is SU Qld then in addition to being a blatantly evangelical mob who are leaching off hundreds of millions of tax dollars?</p>
<div id="attachment_1860" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Indoctrination.jpg" rel="lightbox[1848]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1860" title="Indoctrination" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Indoctrination-400x400.jpg" alt="Example of spreading the word.." width="400" height="400" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Example of spreading the word..</p></div>
<p>Well, they&#8217;re the type that <a href="http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2009/07/29/school-chaplain-removed-job/">doesn&#8217;t care too much if it employs child predators</a> it seems. Apparently if they&#8217;re a <a href="http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2009/07/28/chaplain-suggestive-msn-chats/">Scripture Union Chaplain trying to seduce a 12 year old boy over msn</a> it&#8217;ll do what Churches have always done with child predators: wait a while for the fuss to die down and shuffle them on to the next place. You know how it works: if you are truly sorry and ask Jesus for forgiveness then it&#8217;s ok right?</p>
<p>From the articles we learn about Chappy <a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/tag/jocelyn-hook/">Jocelyn Hook</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The female chaplain of Golden Beach State School has today been removed from her job over her suggestive online chats with a 12-year-old boy.</p>
<p>Jocelyn Hook’s employer, Scripture Union Queensland, announced this afternoon that the married mother of three would not be allowed to work at any school &#8220;for the time being&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, so it&#8217;s &#8220;for the time being&#8221; then huh? What exactly did she do pray tell? *cough*</p>
<blockquote><p>The move followed revelations by the Daily about the chaplain’s behaviour, in which the father of the boy said he was disgusted that Mrs Hook had kept job despite the SU ruling she had behaved inappropriately.</p>
<p>“We have decided to remove Jocelyn Hook from school chaplaincy duties,” SU chief executive Tim Mander said.</p>
<p>“The recent publicity and the publication of her name, her photo and the name of her school has made her chaplaincy role untenable at this time.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Again the &#8220;at this time&#8221; type comment. Hmm.. Smacks of EVERY COVER UP the various churches have carried out over the years!</p>
<div id="attachment_1863" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Coverups.gif" rel="lightbox[1848]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1863 " title="Coverups" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Coverups-400x273.gif" alt="It's ok, &quot;after a time&quot; you can shift them on to somewhere else." width="400" height="273" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">It&#39;s ok, &quot;after a time&quot; you can shift them on to somewhere else.</p></div>
<p>So what about the father who discovered this dodgy behaviour:</p>
<blockquote><p>The father of the boy, now 13, said his son eventually became uncomfortable with some of Mrs Hook’s online comments, contained in dozens of logs between September 21 and December 30 last year, only to be told: “Trust me, I’m the chaplain.”</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p>The father is disgusted over Scripture Union’s contention that Mrs Hook’s behaviour was improper but not predatory and, as such, less worrying.</p>
<p>“I do wonder if this would be brushed off with such a limp wristed answer if the chaplain had been male and he’d been talking to my 12 year old daughter,” he said.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>The MSN Conversations of Chappy Joce</strong><br />
And the dodgy MSN conversations, so you be the judge of whether this was a text book case of grooming, or as SU Qld asserts:&#8221;The investigation found that although the chaplain’s behaviour was inappropriate, her behaviour was not predatory in nature&#8221;.<br />
I currently teach Primary Ethics to kids aged 10-12 and no way on Earth would I (or any other sane adult) be:</p>
<ul>
<li> chatting with 12 year old students over msn without parental approval and a damned good reason to do so (I can&#8217;t really think of any)</li>
<li>discussing &#8220;hickeys&#8221; and then inviting over for a swim</li>
<li>inviting other people&#8217;s kids over for a swim (full stop!) and then offering rewards</li>
</ul>
<p>These chats read like something directly out of the course all Primary Ethics teachers have to do on &#8220;Shining the light on Child abuse&#8221; except the scenario is not the dodgy uncle, but a dodgy Chaplain.</p>
<p>You take a look..</p>
<blockquote><p>Excerpts of MSN exchanges last year between Golden Beach State School chaplain Jocelyn Hook and the then 12-year-old boy.</p>
<p>Mrs Hook&#8217;s user name is &#8220;Chappy Joce&#8221; or &#8220;Joce&#8221;.</p>
<p>September 28 (messages relate to a date the boy went on)</p>
<p>(2.50pm) Chappy Joce: So&#8230; got pash rash!</p>
<p>(2.50pm: BOY: wut?</p>
<p>(2.50pm) BOY: u got a pash rash?</p>
<p>(2.51pm) Chappy Joce: No you do</p>
<p>(2.51pm) BOY: no i dont</p>
<p>(2.51pm) Chappy Joce: Sure I bet u do.</p>
<p>September 29</p>
<p>(10.00am) Chappy Joce: wondered if you were hiding any hickeys</p>
<p>(10.00am) BOY: what?</p>
<p>(10.01am) Chappy Joce: bet u dont know what a hickey is hey&#8230; must be gettin old</p>
<p>(10.01am) BOY: i dont kno what a hickey is at all.</p>
<p>(10.02am) BOY: do i want to kno what they are?</p>
<p>(10.02am) Chappy Joce: love bit</p>
<p>(10.02am) Chappy Joce: you know&#8230; big read sucky mark on your neck?</p>
<p>(10.46am) Chappy Joce: wanna come over for a swim today?</p>
<p>(10.46am) BOY: umm&#8230; not really.</p>
<p>(10.47am) Chappy Joce: fine then!</p>
<p>(10:48am) Chappy Joce: i will let you use my pink laptop and msn</p>
<p>(10.48am) BOY:&#8230;</p>
<p>(10.48am) Chappy Joce: if you can&#8217;t bear to be away from melissa for that long</p>
<p>(11.27am) BOY: i dont wanna swim, so mum says i hav to stay home</p>
<p>(11.28am) Chappy Joce: just that chattin with melissa is more important! oh well u r a big boy and can take care of yourself</p>
<p>(11.28am) BOY: lmao (laughing my ar.. off)</p>
<p>(11.28am) Chappy Joce: behave&#8230; no dancing naked on web cam</p>
<p>(11.28am) Chappy Joce: hehe</p>
<p>(11.28am) BOY: i dont hav a webcam..i dont like them</p>
<p>December 30</p>
<p>(7.49pm) BOY: ? ill have a look thru the list of games on wikipedia</p>
<p>(7.49pm) Joce: crash of the titans</p>
<p>(7.49pm) BOY: ah yeah</p>
<p>(7.50pm) Joce: spank u&#8230; i mean thank you</p>
<p>(8.23pm) BOY: mums about to go to ur place now</p>
<p>(8:23pm) Joce: ok thx i better put some clothes on then lol</p>
<p>(8.24pm) BOY: lmao dnn2k (did not need to know)</p>
<p>(8:24 PM) Joce: dnn2k huh</p>
<p>(8:24 PM) BOY: do not need to know</p></blockquote>
<p>Hrm..</p>
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		<title>Burn the newspapers for manufacturing blasphemy</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Brisbane Atheist is getting raked over the coals over an experiment to see which of the Qur'an or the Bible makes better cigarette paper. Both leave a dirty after-taste in your brain if read.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was<a href="http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-atheist-burns-koran-and-bible-20100913-157ao.html"> an article about a guy named Alex Stewart who is currently copping the crocodile tears and outrage</a> (with undertones of implied violence because the Qur&#8217;an was involved.. remembering the various Muslim lynch mob delivered death/riot-toll from everything from short films, cartoons to teddy bears to cartoons of teddy bears that may be Mohammed) about his little experiment to figure out which one works best for rolling a cigarette: the Qur&#8217;an or the Bible.</p>
<p>Now you might think that the media would just ignore what an individual with no significant public standing might spout on youtube. Nope: the goal was to manufacture outrage by doing a bit of a ring around to firstly the police, then the guy&#8217;s work, then the professional group for his job title then the usual suspects of a priest and Muslim leader (who have devoted their lives to peddling misinformation and fibs as gospel truth).</p>
<p>Now the only one that mattered was the police: and they told the paper to politely get stuffed as there was no crime committed (this is a modern, secular democracy, not a dictatorship enforcing bronze age supernatural dictatorships). That really should have been end of story. If we&#8217;re going to ask religious leaders who put ordaining women priests in the same category of crime as paedophile priests or who blame rape victims as asking to be raped because they refuse to dress up in what <a href="http://www.news.com.au/world/richard-dawkins-compares-burqa-to-bin-liner/story-e6frfkyi-1225903699296">Professor Richard Dawkins referred to as a &#8220;bin liner&#8221;</a>.</p>
<div id="attachment_1569" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/burqa.jpg" rel="lightbox[1561]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1569" title="burqa" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/burqa-400x268.jpg" alt="I have absolutely no idea what Dawkins was getting at!" width="400" height="268" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">I have absolutely no idea what Dawkins was getting at!</p></div>
<p>Anyone asking these twits what they think about anything is quite often going to get a load of rubbish. It&#8217;s like asking the pope (an elderly virgin who wears frocks) for sex advice.</p>
<p>So in light of all this: I&#8217;d like to put forward the idea that religions don&#8217;t have rights, only people have rights. Ideas don&#8217;t get to claim rights or make demands of people to not offend or question those ideas.</p>
<div id="attachment_1570" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/20070514.gif" rel="lightbox[1561]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1570" title="20070514" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/20070514-400x394.gif" alt="Suddenly the idea morphs into unquestionable religious idea." width="400" height="394" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Suddenly the idea morphs into unquestionable religious idea.</p></div>
<p>Humanity had a very hard time making what limited progress it has made with respect to science triumphing over whatever some desert dwelling possibly mentally ill prophets have said happened. World not flat: blasphemy! Slavery not fair? Blasphemy! Sun not orbiting Earth? Blasphemy! Only trouble is that back then questioning what was written in those books meant you got tortured and killed. Still does in many places in the world sadly.</p>
<p>So I think Alex quite accurately said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It&#8217;s just a f&#8212;ing book,&#8221; he says.</p>
<p>&#8220;Who cares? It&#8217;s your beliefs that matter. Quite frankly, if you are going to get upset about a book, you&#8217;re taking life way too seriously.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>But it seems we have at least two organisations (his work and his professional organisation, both which should be defending him against such blatant blasphemy driven censoring efforts.</p>
<p><strong>Letter to Chancellery at QUT</strong><br />
Showing how not to be a secular, sensible organisation: QUT.</p>
<blockquote><p>To the Chancellery,</p>
<p>I was just wondering why you have taken the extraordinary step of placing on leave one of your staff exercising their free speech and freedom FROM religion? It appears the vice-chancellor hasn’t made the effort to stand up for their employee or our freedom of religion anti-discrimination laws, but hopefully someone will have some sense.</p>
<p>In an article in Brisbane times today:</p>
<p>http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-atheist-burns-koran-and-bible-20100913-157ao.html</p>
<p><em>QUT Vice-Chancellor Peter Coaldrake moved to distance the university from its employee.</em></p>
<p><em>‘‘QUT does not condone the destruction of any religious artifacts. This was a personal view and action expressed in the person&#8217;s own time,’’ Professor Coaldrake said.</em></p>
<p><em>‘‘[Mr Stewart] does not associate himself with QUT in the clip. </em></p>
<p><em>‘‘QUT is tolerant of all religions and welcomes staff and students from many countries to our university and regularly celebrates their cultures and religions.</em></p>
<p>Your opinion should have been that a member of your staff was acting within the law and within the realm of his freedom of religion that you have no position on the matter. If you’re going to shuffle people off for distasteful beliefs: can I suggest you exclude anyone holding Christian or Islamic beliefs as a priority over someone demanding rational/proof for their beliefs.</p>
<p>That you seem to regard blasphemy as a matter worthy of condemnation and forcing them to take leave is pretty poor. I would have hoped freedom FROM religion would rate more highly in the grand scheme of things in an educational institution in our secular democracy.</p>
<p>Would you care to comment on the content of the books in question as to whether you approve of their message (since you seem to be delving into matters well outside the scope of your duties). In particular:</p>
<ul>
<li>Qur’an 4:34 sanctions domestic violence (“beating”) for disobedient women. Do you have a position on this? I might direct you to the various campaigns in Australia (such as the “Australia says no”) which indicate a strong government/legal preference towards eliminating domestic violence.</li>
<li>Scattered throughout the Qur’an and bible are references to slavery (“that which your right hand possesses”): do you have a position on slavery? I couldn’t find one on your website.. perhaps I assumed that like in any modern society: the position would be condemnation of any text which advocates such a horrible concept.</li>
<li>Bible (and Qur’an) puts forward the concept of blood sacrifice (Isaac/Abraham), genocide (various times by an authoritarian dictator figure “God”), infanticide (again a vengeful god kills all the first born children of an entire nation). Can I infer from your stance that you are supportive of the notion of killing children as a way to pay the debts of some small number of adults. Perhaps that is standard practice in the HR department of QUT?</li>
<li> Incest appears in both books with a man (Lot) having sex with his two daughters (in the bible there’s alcohol involved, not in the Qur’an). Both books later refer to the incestuous father as a good and just man. What is QUT’s position on incest? Would you shuffle someone off on leave if they advocated a pro-incest stance? Or just those who light up a few pages containing pro-incest stories like the bible/qur’an?</li>
<li>A complete intolerance for other religious viewpoints (including stories of murder/torture of those with different religion). If you’re not going to demand every Christian/Muslim take leave for their religious beliefs that Atheists or other religions are evil etc then you aren’t in a position to single out a person who does not have a religious viewpoint.</li>
</ul>
<p>So could you please tell me what your stance on those items, as you seem mortified by the possibility that someone may have, in their own time, burnt pages containing those stories/concepts (which are by our modern, secular society’s standards: completely and utterly abhorrent).</p>
<p>I’d suggest that as blasphemy is not a crime under Australian law: you re-instate Mr Stewart to full duties and perhaps show some defence of the freedoms we enjoy in this country as a secular, democratic and civilised society (very far removed from that described in those two books Mr Stewart used as cigarette paper).</p>
<p>As it currently stands QUT is taking a pro-censorship, anti-freedom from religion viewpoint and discriminating directly on the grounds of a person&#8217;s religion (which is a violation of your duties under federal law I might add). If I was Mr Stewart I&#8217;d be considering my legal options as you are well out of line in your actions as an employer subject to the anti-discrimination laws.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Nathan Lee</p></blockquote>
<div id="attachment_1574" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2qa4xl3ax5.jpg" rel="lightbox[1561]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1574 " title="Yet another &quot;put to death&quot; lesson from the Bible." src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2qa4xl3ax5-400x351.jpg" alt="Yet another &quot;put to death&quot; lesson from the Bible." width="400" height="351" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Yet another &quot;put to death&quot; lesson from the Bible.</p></div>
<p>So on to the other target for a letter! Now if only I were able to rustle up a mob with pitchforks, these protests would be a lot less intellectual and a lot more bloodbath-like.. Just like the more superstition run parts of the world do it. </p>
<p><strong>Letter to Queensland Law Society</strong></p>
<p>The other, quite similar letter to the society that decided to distance themselves from his actions and from our secular legal system it appears:</p>
<blockquote><p>To the CEO Noela L’Estrange or other,</p>
<p>I was just wondering why you would be unsupportive of one of your members exercising free speech and freedom FROM religion?<br />
In an article in Brisbane times today:</p>
<p>http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-atheist-burns-koran-and-bible-20100913-157ao.html</p>
<p><em>The Queensland Law Society condemned the clip but has not commented on Mr Stewart’s status as a registered lawyer.<br />
&#8220;The Queensland Law Society does not support or condone Mr Stewart&#8217;s recent actions or views,&#8221; CEO Noela L&#8217;Estrange said.<br />
</em></p>
<p>Your opinion should have been that while ever a member of your profession was acting within the law and within the realm of his freedom of religion that you have no position on the matter.</p>
<p>That you seem to regard blasphemy as a matter worthy of condemnation is pretty poor.</p>
<p>Would you care to comment on the content of the books in question as to whether you approve of their message (since you seem to be delving into matters well outside the scope of your duties). In particular:</p>
<ul>
<li>Qur’an 4:34 sanctions domestic violence (“beating”) for disobedient women. Do you have a position on this? I might direct you to the various campaigns in Australia (such as the “Australia says no”) which indicate a strong government/legal preference towards eliminating domestic violence.</li>
<li>Scattered throughout the Qur’an and bible are references to slavery (“that which your right hand possesses”): do you have a position on slavery? I couldn’t find one on your website.</li>
<li>Bible (and Qur’an) puts forward the concept of blood sacrifice (Isaac/Abraham), genocide (various times by an authoritarian dictator figure “God”), infanticide (again a vengeful god kills all the first born children of an entire nation). Can I infer from your stance that you are supportive of the notion of killing children as a way to pay the debts of some small number of adults. It’s a little outside the legal system in this secular democracy, but..</li>
<li>Incest appears in both books with a man (Lot) having sex with his two daughters (in the bible there’s alcohol involved, not in the Qur’an). Both books later refer to the incestuous father as a good and just man. What is the society’s view on incest?</li>
<p>So could you please tell me what your stance on those is, as you seem mortified by the possibility that someone may have, in their own time, burnt pages containing those stories/concepts which are by our modern, secular society’s standards: completely and utterly abhorrent.</p>
<p>Perhaps while considering answers to my questions you can refer to our democratic, secular legal system for inspiration for an appropriate response.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Nathan Lee</ul>
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<p>Now you&#8217;d think that a group charged with looking after a bunch of legal types would be more interested in Earthly legal matters. Sadly no. This isn&#8217;t unique I might add: if you look at what happened to Rushdie. Instead of defenders of freedom, there were any number of people clamouring to defend the indefensible: a death threat which lead to him having to uproot his life and hide from the nutcases. The pope also joined in on that too, so the Catholic mob can share some of the blame for not standing up for freedom (continuing their clean record of campaigning against the rights of individuals over the rights of religion).</p>
<div id="attachment_1576" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 210px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/islam-behead.jpg" rel="lightbox[1561]"><img class="size-full wp-image-1576" title="islam-behead" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/islam-behead.jpg" alt="Excercising your rights may piss off ignorant barbarians. That they get offended while hiding behind the same rights offends me. Well, as much as I tend to get offended." width="200" height="271" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Excercising your rights may piss off ignorant barbarians. That they get offended while hiding behind the same rights offends me. Well, as much as I tend to get offended.</p></div>
<p><strong>Atheist outrage?</strong><br />
Let&#8217;s look at what would happen if someone burnt a copy of say, &#8220;Origin of species&#8221; or &#8220;The god delusion&#8221;. Would there be rioting? Murders? Riot squats and burning buildings?</p>
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<p>Nope. That&#8217;s because if you aren&#8217;t driven by superstition then a book is just a book and certainly not worth killing someone over. That the immediate thought from the muslim leader was to ask his brothers (I guess the sisters are all so nicely divinely repressed and subservient that they don&#8217;t rate a mention) to remain calm. At what point do we stop trying to overlook the ease at which vile acts, vile viewpoints etc can find a solid divine justification in these most horribly outdated books. Until they get a major overhaul to incorporate the advances in the last thousand or so years. The Qur&#8217;an and Bible could do with an upgrade to include such things as equality for women, freedom of religion, gays as people, democracy rather than authoritarian dictatorship (would have to be able to vote in God however), geological record of the universe, the elimination of blood debts, no stoning, no beatings, no death penalty.. free acceptance of the marvels of bacon!</p>
<div id="attachment_1585" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/BaconLick.jpg" rel="lightbox[1561]"><img src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/BaconLick-400x339.jpg" alt="Not quite cooked enough yet though." title="BaconLick" width="400" height="339" class="size-medium wp-image-1585" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Not quite cooked enough yet though.</p></div>
<p>Until then, if someone wants to buy a book: they can do what they please with it (like any other book).</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t mind staging an atheist/science book burning just to show the twits how sane people handle books getting a BBQ. It isn&#8217;t like the books vanish in these days of e-readers and amazon.com stockpiles.</p>
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		<title>False advertising: &#8220;Jesus. All about life.&#8221; campaign</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The "Jesus all about life" Campaign (JAAL) is making some dodgy claims in its advertising.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the churches of Australia a little while back <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lifematters/churches-put-their-faith-in-advertising-jesus-20090909-fhmy.html" target="_blank">put their differences aside to push a common theme: Jesus</a>.</p>
<p>This weekend we had sky-writing (more on that another time), showing that the church funds <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">scammed</span>donated for this purpose are certainly not helping anyone in need.* Wonder how many people could have been fed, watered, clothed or vaccinated? The dollars involved in sky-writing make my contributions to (genuine and secular) charities e.g. <a href="http://www.oxfam.org.au/" target="_blank">Oxfam</a>, <a href="http://www.hollows.org.au/" target="_blank">Fred Hollows foundation</a> etc (By all means go donate too!) look trivial. I wonder if instead of spending money fixing people&#8217;s eyes Fred Hollows would prefer the dollars collected to go to writing up &#8220;Fred Hollows = vision&#8221; in sky writing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d wonder why God can&#8217;t just settle this once and for all without the need for hiring planes to do what an almighty all powerful being could do with the snap of the fingers. Pull that burning bush out of storage and wave it around the sky if nothing else.</p>
<div id="attachment_781" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/IMG_0186-Medium.jpg" rel="lightbox[709]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-781" title="IMG_0186 (Medium)" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/IMG_0186-Medium-400x300.jpg" alt="Jesus couldn't just do this himself? Or at least turn the wind down a bit?" width="400" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Jesus couldn&#39;t just do this himself? Or at least turn the wind down a bit, because it was gone in a matter of minutes.</p></div>
<p><span style="font-size: xx-small;">*Unless your need was to have the sky drawn on for the briefest of moments before the wind blew it away.</span></p>
<p>The goal of the campaign was to encourage discussion on a mythical figure that has most certainly been discussed ad nauseam for, oh, about two thousand years or so with no conclusive results and no evidence forthcoming to back up the wild supernatural claims. Certainly no need for millions of dollars to be spent on the hope of converting some &#8220;cynical Sydney-siders&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Jesus isn&#8217;t about life</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to question whether the campaign knows anything about Jesus. Saying Jesus was all about life is kinda silly when the whole Jesus concept is &#8220;God creates son to be sacrificed so that said god will be able to forgive mankind for various accumulated sins&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Jesus mythology is pretty clear that the whole point is blood sacrifice (e.g. DEATH): without the end of crucifixion there is no life-death-rebirth type mythology. Sure you can gloss over this and claim that he died for humanity to live, but it&#8217;s some pretty spectacular doublespeak to get to &#8220;all about life&#8221; from &#8220;all about death&#8221;.</p>
<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but isn&#8217;t the symbol of Christianity a tortured guy nailed to a cross?</p>
<div id="attachment_773" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 398px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/040219_crucifixion_hmed_2p_hlarge.jpg" rel="lightbox[709]"><img class="size-full wp-image-773" title="040219_crucifixion_hmed_2p_hlarge" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/040219_crucifixion_hmed_2p_hlarge.jpg" alt="Jesus: all about death. Nailed it!" width="388" height="273" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Jesus: all about death. Nailed it!</p></div>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t look like much of a life eh?</p>
<p><strong>Childish (and child targetting) posters making ridiculous claims</strong></p>
<p>Check out some of the posters here (warning 3.2 meg PDF): <a href="http://www.jesusallaboutlife.com.au/documents/Jesus_metro_1200x1800mm.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at the claimed creation of a giant chair.</p>
<div id="attachment_774" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus3.jpg" rel="lightbox[709]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-774" title="JAALBus3" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus3-400x496.jpg" alt="Chairs made by Jesus?" width="400" height="496" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Chairs made by Jesus?</p></div>
<p>The poster thanks Jesus for it. Hmm.. Funny, because I found this little picture that shows a bunch of PEOPLE making this.</p>
<div id="attachment_758" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/chair3.jpg" rel="lightbox[709]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-758" title="chair3" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/chair3-400x364.jpg" alt="The real creators of the giant chairs" width="400" height="364" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The real creators of the giant chairs</p></div>
<p>Funny, I don&#8217;t see Jesus in there or maybe he&#8217;s running the crane.</p>
<p>The real creator is Giancarlo Neri and the piece is called &#8220;The Writer&#8221;. Of the things claimed as inspiration I didn&#8217;t read anything about Jesus either (see <a href="http://www.johanandlevi.com/doc/libro/galleria/7_1_Rassegna-internet.pdf" target="_blank">here for a PDF archive of a tonne of articles on the work</a>). There&#8217;s no mention of the word Jesus and one reference to &#8220;my god it&#8217;s vast&#8221;.<br />
From an article on it:</p>
<blockquote><p>Neri calls the design a &#8220;monument to the loneliness of writing&#8221; but says he hopes people in London will make of it what they will.</p></blockquote>
<p>No dedication to Jesus there. But I guess the Bible Society made an ad of it to promote their religion without any basis. *shrug*</p>
<p>Another &#8220;bizarre&#8221; one mentioned in a newspaper article <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1211657/Thanks-hot-chips-Jesus-Australian-churches-launch-bizarre-ad-campaign-bring-flock-fold.html" target="_blank">thanks jesus for hot chips</a>: have these people never been into the local fish and chips shop? It sure as shit isn&#8217;t Jesus accumulating oil burns over the deep fry vats.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s one claiming Jesus created parrots (I&#8217;m a little fuzzy, but I don&#8217;t remember any mention of Jesus being around until long after genesis).</p>
<div id="attachment_775" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus1.jpg" rel="lightbox[709]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-775" title="JAALBus1" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus1-400x374.jpg" alt="Poor evolution gets screwed again. This time outside the USA for a change." width="400" height="374" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Poor evolution gets screwed again. This time outside the USA for a change.</p></div>
<p>So can just anyone claim natural processes as their own without a shred of scientific basis? I&#8217;d like to claim rights to the natural process of cow digestion so that I can claim royalties every time the churches put out future <a href="http://www.religionisbullshit.net/" target="_blank">religious bullshit</a>. Since my taxes are subsidising this sort of rubbish, it&#8217;s only fair I get my cut.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the one I really think crosses (boom-tish) a line  (or two) that shouldn&#8217;t be in a public place directed at children. The R.I.P. cartoon one. Here it is:</p>
<div id="attachment_776" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 385px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus2.jpg" rel="lightbox[709]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-776" title="JAALBus2" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus2-375x500.jpg" alt="Some disclaimers missing from this. Oh, and evidence." width="375" height="500" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Some disclaimers missing from this. Oh, and evidence.</p></div>
<p>Clearly aimed at children (or those of a childish mind I guess) and I think a pretty clear violation of the relevant <a href="http://www.aana.com.au/childrens_code.html" target="_blank">advertising/marketing code for Children</a>.</p>
<p>Firstly: there&#8217;s absolutely zero proof that there&#8217;s an afterlife. None. Zip. Zero. If this was a medical product making claims about care it&#8217;d need disclaimers and hard evidence.</p>
<p>Secondly: Substitute anyone&#8217;s name in there and it would have equal proof. If Christianity can claim it with no proof, why not (other) corporations?</p>
<div id="attachment_777" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 386px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus2_mcdonalds.JPG" rel="lightbox[709]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-777" title="JAALBus2_mcdonalds" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus2_mcdonalds-376x500.jpg" alt="Ronald McDonald looking after the dead. Just as much proof. Just as misleading." width="376" height="500" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Ronald McDonald looking after the dead. Just as much proof and just as misleading.</p></div>
<p>Muslims could run an identical ad thanking Allah or Mohammed for looking after their dead mother. Scientology could thank Xenu or thetan alien spirits whatever it is they believe in.</p>
<p>But perhaps more accurate would be the following (which falls within the findings of effectiveness of prayer studies e.g. like <a href="http://www.templeton.org/pdfs/articles/060331Washington_Post.pdf" target="_blank">this one showing prayer not only doesn&#8217;t aid recovery, actually made recovery statistics worse</a>):</p>
<div id="attachment_778" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 386px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus2_praying.JPG" rel="lightbox[709]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-778" title="JAALBus2_praying" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus2_praying-376x500.jpg" alt="Proof that praying really doesn't work that well." width="376" height="500" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Proof that praying really doesn&#39;t work that well.</p></div>
<p>Or perhaps if they&#8217;re going to claim parrots and other man made or biological things as the realm of things to thank Jesus for:</p>
<div id="attachment_779" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 386px"><a href="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus2_cancer.JPG" rel="lightbox[709]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-779" title="JAALBus2_cancer" src="http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JAALBus2_cancer-376x500.jpg" alt="Also fair to say huh? Thanks Jesus for cancer, AIDS, pig flu, poor eyesight, birth defects etc." width="376" height="500" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Also fair to say huh? Thanks Jesus for cancer, AIDS, pig flu, poor eyesight, birth defects etc.</p></div>
<p>Of course I&#8217;m forgetting the golden rules of this &#8220;God&#8221; concept which is:</p>
<ul>
<li>responsible for all good, even if you did it yourself</li>
<li>testing your faith or a deserved punishment if bad stuff happens</li>
</ul>
<p>Anyhow, I lodged a complaint with the advertising standards bureau because I think these ads breach a number of the standards on advertising for children. We&#8217;ll see how that goes. If making any and all unfounded claims to promote the Jesus corporation is fine with them then what&#8217;s to stop other businesses from doing so (assuming Religion doesn&#8217;t magically deserve an exemption to the rules about deceptive advertising and misleading children targeted information).</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to productise Jesus then just like other product advertisement you can&#8217;t make unfounded claims. Keep it nicely contained in that little book of fairy-tales and it isn&#8217;t as much of an issue.</p>
<p><strong>Other links:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.jesusallaboutlife.com" target="_blank">Jesus about life</a> (parody site as the idiots forgot to register the .com)</li>
<li>The official site is <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.jesusallaboutlife.com.au/" target="_blank">here</a></li>
</ul>
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